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BIOHAZARD A Hazard?
Clay seemed like a nice guy and maybe he is? Professional not too much.
I do hope the film turns out well as by The Pics it looked good and I know alot of good people put in many hours on it. I do wish Clay success in The Future, But I hope this doesn't happen to someone again.
This is a Trailer of a Zombie Film I just was featured in. These Guys were VERY Professional & it shows in their Trailer here. I am working with these guys again in August as they are Professionals..
GOD BLESS...
D.T
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Permalink Reply by D.T.Carney on -
Thanks guys...I was offered another role as a zombie.I chose not to do it.They did NOT have to do that.I am well over it now. I will stop my whining and move on to other things....
GOD BLESS YA...
D.T
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Permalink Reply by KP's ACTORS GYM on -
DT, it was a good discussion. Not sure why people think they didn't feed us or give us water. . So to everyone who didn't know: They did. We wrote our names with sharpie markers so we could use the same cup or know who's water bottle it was- to minimize waste. They just asked you to bring your own so nothing would run out. It was hot dogs, chips, fruit, chicken, cookies, soda and donuts- for most days. You know, the healthy set food! There were always something to munch on most of the time. 100 zombies cleaned them out fast on snacks before everyone got there, I think down to carrot sticks. Of course that sat there- it was healthy. There was a taco stand next door that had great tacos and fun to walk over as a Zombie to eat. Everyone was told of that because that was the rest stop. It was about $100-$150 a day to feed and they were down to nickels at the end.
Wish you well on the Hectic Films flick- saw the trailer. Cool. When is it out?
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Permalink Reply by Willy Ortlieb on -
Maybe it should have been made clearer in the casting notice posted. it looks like they are asking people to bring there own food and water, nothing else was stated but that. So maybe that is why! Yes money is tight for everyone including actors.
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Permalink Reply by Madrigal Productions on -
"I will stop my whining and move on to other things." DT, I agree with KP. This was a good discussion. And while other information is surfacing from those that worked on the production as well as those who were responsible for putting the whole thing together, the beauty about this site is that it offers the opportunity for veterans to share their war stories in a way that it offers advice to the new generation of aspiring filmmakers, actors, writers, et al.
What you consider 'whining' I simply saw as a courageous action on your part to express what you felt about something that happens too often but no one really wants to discuss in the open and with strangers. Rather than answering as many of us did, "It's show business. You need a thick skin. It happens all the time.", I and others should have tried to find a different approach to your underlying message. Why is the system this way? Why is courtesy, respect and stability of vision not part of the filmmaking process? What should student filmmakers do to make cast and crew feel more at home? What is the true role of the A.D., Producer, Associate Producer, etc.? These, bad as they may be, are important questions that your statement raised for me. And we would all be better off if we answered them from our own experience rather than search for answers in an academic or how-to-do self-help book.
Let's remember why this forum is here: to network, share experiences and learn something new. Even if it's old and tired, there is always something we can take from honest commentary like DT's. This is why I'm hoping that others who have read the exchanges don't get discouraged from sharing their experiences. The way I see it, when we all dreamt of making films in whatever capacity we thought our gifts could relate, we understood that times would be hard and that unless one descended from a long line of nepotists, chances were we would have to suffer for our art. Working odd jobs, borrowing money, crashing on people's couches for a few days during out-of-town auditions, eat Ramen noodles to save money for gas, Mini DV tapes, gaffers tape, etc., these are part of our daily experience. We knew this would happen ahead of time and so we prepared for a life of poverty. But what we weren't really prepared for, no matter how much we say we are, is rejection. It's part of life, be it in love, a no-brainer part-time job, or getting credit at Best Buy. Let's find a way to talk openly about anything that goes wrong in any of the productions we take part in and have an honest, productive conversation about what we can do to fix the problem for the next kid who just picked up his or her very first moving image camera. Besides, if what the poet or philosopher who said, "the day we stop learning is the day we cease to live" was right, then we all still have quite a bit to learn.
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Permalink Reply by Steven Wilcox on
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Yes, people should be allowed to "Whine" when they feel like they were treated unfairly. Even if that's showbiz or not, it doesn't mean you shouldn't be upset about it. Sometimes ranting is good, as long as you don't let a bad experience get you down, and you keep pushing forward which obviously the original poster has done. However, things shouldn't be mentioned about things that are false information, about experiences on the set since he didn't work the movie. Yes, complain all you want about them taking away your part within 24 hours. That's never happened to me, but I'm sure it's annoying. However bringing up things like them not feeding the people working on the set or giving them drinks isn't something someone should mention because even though from the post it might have seemed that way, someone that didn't actually work the movie wouldn't know.
I was one of the Zombies in this movie and I had a wonderful experience. They were really generious and kind. One of the people involved with the movie kept on telling me, "You better eat!" When they got us food and got a little upset if I wouldn't. I think they took pretty good care of us in that department and I was just an extra. They weren't really what I was expecting when I was told to come do the movie. The first day they were kind of stand offish and yeah, they didn't really feed us or give us food. But the second day The extras and the cast and crew were intertwined and they talked to us and made sure they had food and drinks for us.
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Permalink Reply by D.T.Carney on
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Well to sum it up, I want to THANK ALL OF YOU for the honest mature answers and debate.Looking back at this I feel maybe I was out of line to post this. My first intention was probably from anger but after reading your posts.I realize it wasn't the end of the world.I hope ALL of you here have a long and great experience in your journey. I have always been honest and forthcoming maybe to a fault.My mouth does sometimes get me in a jam or two.I would much rather tell you or others my feelings to there faces.I have never been the guy who runs around getting you your coffee telling you how great you are every second. I believe at the end of the day you would rather have someone like me around than some ass kissing donkey.Once again your replies did there job and made me think about my actions. Looking back at it I should NOT have posted my problems here.Thanks for listening and not cutting my head off...
GOD BLESS YA...
D.T
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Permalink Reply by Shanna Martin on -
I'm glad you posted your problem. Though I have not experienced what you have, I, as a brand new actress, have learned so much about how the filming industry works just by reading everyone's posts to this topic. If what happened to you, D.T., had happened to me, I would have been devistated (Thus, my being a noob actress). However, this discussion has given me much needed encouragment for future acting projects that I may be involved in. Thanks everyone for this great oppurtunity for me to learn. Good luck to all of you actors, directors, and whatnots in your future projects. See you around!
Shanna Martin
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Permalink Reply by Madrigal Productions on
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Thanks Shanna for your post. I was trying to convince DT not to feel like he was whining when he expressed his feelings of frustration and to a larger extent, disappointment. Your comment proved my point that regardless of what one posts there is the off chance that someone who is just coming into this business will learn something from both those who experienced heartache and those who felt it necessary to make an equally hard decision to cast someone else. The difference really lies in the attitude of those who make decisions. In this case, the same people who rejected DT were, according to DT, generous enough to offer him an alternate part -- something those of us in the industry know they didn't have to do. In DT's case, I think his experience, hard as it was for him, was the exception and not the rule. Still, it was a learning experience for us all.
That said, welcome to the world of cinema where if you're not careful, well prepared and fully committed will swallow you whole. Good luck and break a leg.
Martin
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Yeah, welcome to the cinema world, Shanna.. "Biohazard" was my first movie, and it was an interesting experience.. And I do agree, it's good that people talk about bad stuff that goes on, as well as good things that go on so people know what to expect. It's nice to know other peoples experiences because the more and more movies someone does, the more likely they are to run into those problems and they should be prepared for those kind of situations.
And, just to clearify, and I don't want to speak for KP when he said, it's show business, but I also said it and I thought I'd clearify what I meant. I meant it's show business, not it's good business. That sort of things shouldn't happen. It's not cool, I was just saying that it does happen. It's not right, but it happens.
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Permalink Reply by Entandem Productions-EP Casting on -
Wow, what a great discussion! Just one reason the FFA was created! There were just a few of us who began the FFA almost 4 years ago: Ray Arthur our film commissioner, Suzanne from Creative Fresno, Jaguar and me from Entandem Productions.
There have been some great discussions here. Yes, this is a place to share, to learn, to access resources. It's working. We've just proved it.
I agree that actors should not be the one "throw away" member of a film. "Oh, sure, they don't need to get paid, they just want the experience!" How many times have we heard that, as if actors work less hard than crew. Sure, they get pampered in make up, but they also get knocked around in fight scenes, have to venture into their souls to find brilliant performances we will love to cry with at the movies, and it's NOT easy. Good actors are gems!
As a Casting Director, Director, Producer, Writer, and few other pat-on-the-back titles I could throw around (but you won't care about), is that I, for one, and some of you out there, have drawn a line in the sand that says: We will no longer abuse actors!
In my casting business, we have "pillars of professionalism" for our actors. If they don't stick to this on set, they may not get to work with us again. Why? Because it is essential on a film for the team to work together. Our pillars for our actors, and crew when we work on films or commercials, are: Preparedness, Punctuality, Respect, Manners, Safety and Be a Professional.
I was a Casting Director on Finding Hope Now last summer, and yes, we arranged protocol classes (we had about 500 extras) - it was actually me and my team of Jennifer Acevedes and Nathan Ice who arranged protocol classes for these folks so they would abide by simple rules of conduct and safety to make it through the process aware and in tact. We had Make up (Lisa Vialpando) and Wardrobe/Art Direction (Gia Biglione) speak and tell them what to expect and what was expected of them, I spoke about protocol, as did Carollyn DeVore.
Protocol should be a standard for all actors (and crew) - and informing newbies is vital. We all work hard on the set and should treat each other with the respect we all deserve.
Thank you, DT, for starting this dialog, and to everyone else for chiming in. Let's keep these discussions going.
Christine Autrand Mitchell
Entandem Productions
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Permalink Reply by D.T.Carney on
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Hey Christine your reply is important as you have hands on experience in what you write about. I found your people to be a joy to work with.We were treated GREAT and fed a very nice meal and had alot of snacks and waters,sodas etc available The Whole shoot.I know firsthand that entandem is a Professional outfit. I met alot of great professional people on your set and hope to see them ALL in the future.
GOD BLESS...
D.T
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